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The Initiative

A 46-minute talk by Neville Goddard, restored from an archived recording

Neville Goddard explains that God takes the initiative in redemption, having sacrificed Himself to become human so that humans may awaken as God the Father. He interprets Psalm 82 and shares a personal visionary experience of being crucified upon the cross of human form. A listener's dream about rejecting a mother image illustrates the spiritual maturation required to find the Father.

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Key passages

“it is impossible to thought a greater than itself to know.”

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“the initiative is all with God the Father”

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“the cross is an act of love and not of human sin”

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God Takes the Initiative

Blake tells us that all of his visions, his poems, his drawings, are all visions from the same source as the Bible. They are eternal. Let us turn to one of us now. He tells us that it is impossible to thought a greater than itself to know. Then he asks the Father, and Father, how can I love you or any of my brothers more? The initiative must be then with God. And the Bible teaches that it is. is we love him because he first loves us. To the degree that God wants me to know him, to that degree he has to raise me to that level in consciousness that he desires me to know. If he desires me to know himself in his fullness, well, then he has to raise me to that degree of himself in fullness.

for it is impossible to thought a greater than itself to know are you to all about it but that is his vision I do not think anyone could ever deny he may think to our personal effort we can extend it but the initiative is all with God the Father if I would love him to the degree that he loved me, I love him. Now no greater love has man than this, that he laid down his life for a friend. No greater love. I call you friend. No longer do I call you slave, For a slave does not know what his master is doing. So I call you friends. For all that I have heard from my Father I have made known unto you."

The Cross as Love

Here is the glorious statement of life itself. that actually became as we are that we may be as he is that's the story that I do know from my own personal experience now we will turn to the psalm is it stated in the psalm for it has come only to fulfill scripture There is no index that I have found so far that remotely relates this statement to Scripture. And yet, here is another statement in the eleventh chapter of John, a cynical statement in the mouth of the high priest. the high priest turns to the people he says it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people and gather together into one all the children of God who are scattered abroad here is a cynical remark as the reasoning mind would analyze it.

And yet that's all future. I go back now to the 82nd Psalm, which is considered the most difficult of all the Psalms for the interpreter. Thomas Cheney, who was the editor of the most critical of all the scholarly works on the Bible, and that work is the encyclopedia and he said of this we can only guess at its beauty whatever it meant originally has long passed from us we can only guess and hope we come near the meaning of what the psalmist intended for here are the highlights of the psalm not a long one and God has taken his place in the divine council. In the midst of the gods he holds judgment. The word translated God and gods is the same word.

Psalm 82 and One Man

It's a plural word. But in the beginning it's translated into singular. And God. Then it comes God in the plural. Now he goes on. I say you are God. Sons of the most high. All of you. Nevertheless, you will die like men. Now he gives us an alternate translation in the footnote, which is comparable to what is commonly accepted. You will fall as one man, O you princes. One man falls, and then becomes scattered. All the scattered ones are the children of God. One man fell. One man will rise and gather together into one. All the children of God. One man is buried in each man. That one man is God. It was God and God alone who actually sacrificed himself to raise his sons to the level of himself that they may know themselves as the Father.

For the purpose in life is to find the Father as the cause of the phenomena of life. Until that is found, man hasn't found anything. He is in conflict with himself. He has to raise himself to the level of the Father, but only the Father can do it. So the Father actually became as we are. You see now the cross is an act of love and not of human sin as is taught in the world. It's an actual act of love, of no greater love as man than this, that he may dung his life for a friend: and I call you friend; no longer do I call you slave, for a slave does not know what the master is doing, but all that I have heard from my father I have made known unto you.

Vision of the Crucifixion

Now we are friends, and he lays down his life for his friends. He takes upon himself the cross. He is actually crucified upon this cross. ¶Now this I do know, not because it is in Scripture. It is in Scripture. We are the temple of the living God, and the Spirit of God dwells in you. That is stated in the third chapter, the 16th verse of 1 Corinthians, but my experience back in 1950, when this night as it is said in the 42nd Psalm, and people say to me continuously, and all my adversaries taught me saying, "Where is your God?" But these things I remember, as I pour out my soul, I went with the throng, and I led them in procession to the house of God, for that night I took this enormous crowd, it seemed to be an Arabian crowd, a Jewish Arabian crowd, and I am going, leading this crowd to the house of God.

They thought it to be an external house, as the whole vast world goes to a cathedral, and pour it the house of God or they go to Mecca every year, and many of them are trampled to death in the great procession as they go off towards Mecca, and all these great religious celebration, but this night I am leading them in procession to the house of God, and the voice rings out, and "God walked wisdom." At my side is a woman, very attractive, olive skin, dressed in the robe of the Abba woman. And she answered the voice. She said, "If God walked with us, where is he?" And the voice answered, "At your side." And she looked at her side, and looked at my face, and there most derisive laughter, this terrible laugh, which cut us off chronically.

And then she said to the voice, "What is never God?" And the voice answered, "Yes, in the act of living." Then Dad would stop, but in the depth of my own soul, and no one of the crowd heard it, I alone heard it. And the voice said to me, "I'll lean myself down within you to sleep." And as I slept, I dreamed of him. I dreamed, and I knew exactly the end of the absence. He was dreaming that he's alive. And when he awaked, I am free. I knew it. But before I was brought back into the throttle, I was brought back in the crucifix. my two hands, the palms of my hands, my head, the right side and the soles of my feet were vortices— that's how God was nailed upon this cross —so God's name is I Am.

I felt myself nailed, and it was pure ecstasy— it wasn't painful, it was expressive. I can't describe the joy indeed, self- sacrificed upon this cross. And then I woke on my death, back in 1950, nine years before the act of awakening that was promised that night. He said, yes, in the act of waking. It took nine years later before he awoke within, and confirmed what he had said. That same the same woman that was on my right that night was on my left on the first day of January 1963. And she was the voice, the same woman, when the dove descended. And she was the voice of God, Bath Coal. She was that voice spoken of in the Talmud.

I hear a divine voice, like the sound of the cooing of a dove, and she said to me: The birds just simply avoid man because man gives off the most offensive of doubts, but he loves you, and he penetrated that ring of offense to demonstrate his doubtful youth, that same woman that was derisive in her laughter. When the voice announced that I am God in the action waking, she didn't hear what I heard after that. I laid myself down within the seat. She was present then, not only at the awakening, she was present at the descent of the dove, which was the descent of the Holy Spirit, acknowledging and confirming all that we had proclaimed.

That thing she derisively laughed at me. So that is the whole vast world. And the whole vast world is possibly the same story. And the trouble is with Ina.

Listener's Dream Letter

Now let me share with you a letter that came this week. The pre- court is mentioned in the letter here tonight. Now a dream has only one simple main point. Any attempt to give all the little things meaning is stupid. You get away completely from the main point. This dream is a dream within a dream. Therefore there are two main points. Only because of the dream within a dream. Were it not so, it only would have one main point. And this young lady writes me. He said, I haven't told this to my mother. I haven't told it to anyone. I'm glad with you and the hope it has meaning. I can't see any significance to it, but I must tell it to you with so much pity.

But in my dream, my mother wanted to comb and brush my hair and style it. And we had an argument, a violent argument, because I wanted to comb my own hair and style my own hair, and it differed from her concept of what I should have. And the argument progressed to the point of explosion. And then when she went off to get the comb and the brush, I simply fled from her, and I went into a closet. The closet, instead of being a closet, was a small room. And there reclining on an upholstered chair in a very comfortable manner was my teacher. He appeared so often to me in my dreams. He was a kind, wonderful, comforting teacher.

Very helpful, very gentle, and very good of a teacher. He heard every word of the alphabet. He never said nothing. He was perfectly silent, but I knew he had heard everything. Then I sat next to him, and I took some oil and I rubbed it into my stove, the left side of my head. And then my mother came with a comb and a brush and she found me. When she came in, I dipped more oil and put it into the right side of myself so she could not comb and brush my hair or style it. And she was hurt. I mean it was violent. And I said to her, you cannot stop it. This is my life.

Dream Within a Dream

It is my right and you can't stop it. then the steam changed and I am floating and I am floating in the air but I'm not alone there are others with me and we're over the ocean and we look and I hear a lady's voice and the lady's voice is describing the ships that go by and each ship as it goes by is an improvement over the last ship in the way that it cuts the water each one with a great improvement in structure and then I found myself standing on the deck of the ship. And then here is my mother and my stepfather standing on the deck with me. At that very moment, the memory of what had transpired, that violent argument, returned, and I thought that was last night's dream.

For here now was a dream within it. For I think this is a reality now. I am on a ship, and it's real. And what I now remember concerning the argument, to me seems to have been a dream. So it was a dream within a dream. That was the first part of the dream, but it was two separate parts. ¶At that moment, here you are a potion walking on the water. And you walk up to the ship on the water, you still are standing on the water, and you take my stepfather's hand, you take my mother's hand, you take it, she bends over and she kisses you on the cheek, and my father blushes, or rather he's embarrassed, and he says, sorry about that, be anxious.

And then I turned and took her hand, she held it to her chest, and then she said, I knew at that moment you were my teacher. You were the one reclining on that chair. You had always been my teacher, but I didn't know it until you till now there you were my teacher always and then you whispered me to my ear and then you said to me do not call me homely and then at that moment you started off and as you started off walking on the water you turned around and turned to my parents and you said to them last night she heard her vision she heard the depth of her vision at that moment I awoke I don't quite understand it if there's any meaning to it tell it to me but please believe me I have never thought you holy but thank you that is irrelevant what the fathers said about Sorry about that.

It's just not the British expressions. Sorry about that old chef. Sorry about that old man. I mean that's what is so awkward. It's so automatic in the British world that you apologize in a strange little way by saying sorry about that old man and whatever she did, she kissed me and then she apologized. It's a typical British manner. And so I could have said to her instead of humbly, I could have said humbly. In the British man, he was thought to be homely. Well, homily, the meaning quite differs from homely. Homely not only on a festive, but homely also means, you know, it means cozy and friendly and benevolent. But homily means a lecture, a discourse on a religious or a moral theme.

And this is not any moral theme. Now there are two main points in this. A lad does not want to be cast off that mother image. He does not mature. He does not become a man. One must cast off the mother image to become a man. Be in search of the father. And this conflict that seems so violent on the outside to the outer air, the discord was music of respect to the one in that closet who was touring the country, for he knew this would be a victory for his pupil. I was her teacher. I was only a symbol. She is seeking her father, for quite often the same one in her dream appears not only as her teacher, but as her father.

So she is seeking the father in him. And you must cast off the mother in him. You cast that off if you're going to mature. And I knew in the depths of my soul, which is her soul, that here is now victory. So the countless discord is now being resolved into the most harmonious victory. And to him that comforts, I will give him the morning star. What is the morning star? He gives you himself. For is he not the Morning Star? He's the Iron, the Root and the Austin of David. The great Morning Star. That wonderful star. So he gives you the Morning Star because you've conquered. Well, by casting off the mother image, you have conquered and then you've matured.

From now on, there is maturity. It doesn't mean she loves the mother less. He loved that mother more than ever before. For now there are two individuals respecting each other as individuals and loving each other as individuals. And the love will increase and increase and increase. But it has to reach that point where you cast off the mother image. And then when I say in the second, the second part, the main theme of the second part, last Last night, which was the conflict, he heard her music. It was music, to my ears. She heard the depth of her music. For what seemed to be discord on the outside, a fight and a furious conflict, was to the one in the closet who heard it all.

Water Into Wine

The music of despair. So when you pray, go into the closet and close the door. and your father who is in that province he is in secret and he hears in secret and he will reward you openly and he comes out and she is floating over the ocean and now what is that floating over the ocean and here the ship going by are we not told in scripture drink no more water but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your many infirmities. Don't forever and forever gather only psychological truth. You go as a student and you simply absorb all the psychological truth that you possibly can. That's water. Turn it into wine. The very first act in John called the great act is the conversion of water into wine.

And what did he say? Woman, what have I to do with thee? That's the turning from the mother image. So the mother said to him, "he have no wine." And he said to the mother, "Woman, what have I to do with you?" And turns his back upon the mother. And then she said to the servants, whatever he tells you to do, do." And then he said to the servants, "Fill the stone jars with water." And then "Draw." And when they drew, it was wine. So drink no more water. Third: Paul in his first letter to Timothy, "Then use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your many afflictions." And so take what you know now as truth and convert it into wine by using it.

Don't just forever absorb it and have more and more water, but apply it.

Now having matured, she will take the truth she knows. Love her mother more than ever before, and her mother will prove that. She will see a far greater devoted daughter than she's ever known before. A far more loving daughter, but a more independent daughter. One who now could actually stand upon her own feet, and comb her own hair, and style her own hair. Not with a runoff and become a hippie. That's not that. A false attitude towards was turning from the mother. That's completely false. It has to take place in the soul of man. It doesn't take place on the outside. When people by the thousands or hundreds of thousands are running off today from their parents, they aren't running away from their mother. That conflict takes place in the depths of the soul. That's where it takes place. And it did in her. And she wrote it so beautifully and so clearly. Just as I've told you, that's how she wrote the letter to me. "So it is impossible for thought as greater than itself to know nor loves another as itself, nor venerate another self." You question that? "Oh, no, I so love my child. I love my daughter." Tell me now: it's either you or your daughter; one must die now."

God Raised Me

Now, I could not hesitate for the inch part of a second to say "That my head offered. Spare her, at least." I will feel the drama of life in its full moon. Not for one second could I hesitate, but it still does not alter that vision of grace. "Nor loves another as itself, nor venerates another self, nor is it possible for thought a greater than itself to know. And further: how can I love you or any of my brothers more if it's impossible for thought other than itself to know? Or then raise in thought to the level you want me to notice? If you want me to know you in the the fullness of your being, then raise me to that fullness, which you did.

For my Father is Father. God is a Father, and he raised me to the level of fatherhood, and showed me his Son, who called me Father. There was no possibility of man making that effort; he had to be raised to that level. And my Father so loved me. "No greater love has man than this, that he lays down his life for a friend." And he called his friend, and then he gave himself for it, and that absolutely, literally, became as I am, but I am a deity, and that vision of the 42nd Psalm proved it beyond all doubt when the voice said within me, I laid myself down within you to sleep, and I slept; I dreamed the dream I dreamed, and exactly what he was seeing, he was dreaming at his eye; and when he waked, he knew that and I am he; what he woke was in me on the morning of the 20th of July 1959.

That's when he woke, and then five months later he revealed himself as Father, not a father out there, but in me, as Father, and his Son stood before me and called me all about when I knew that it meant that one man must die and save all the people, and gather together into one all the children of God who are scattered abroad. And that lovely poem of Robert Graves comes to mind: 'Hold fast with both hands to that royal love which alone, as we know, certainly restores fragmentation into Trinity. The fragmented one is then gathered together into one, and that one is the one who died for all. So that is the story of Scripture: everyone in the world will be redeemed, everyone in the world will be raised to that level, and everyone will find the love that is God.

Only that infinite love could have done it. For no greater love of man than this shall be laid on his life for his name and he called his friends. We are the sons that came down and he wanted his son to be one with him and it's the father who died. The orphan being, the image and the symbol of human weakness and human sin, it is the symbol of God's love, that which we call the cross. It's a beautiful symbol. I never tire of seeing a beautiful cross. I love it. The cross is a feast of art, though. It's perfectly beautiful, the cross. but it's not to me a symbol of suffering although without suffering in wearing this garment to me it is the symbol of love that's what it is not any human weakness or human sin at all for I thank her for sharing with me her wonderful vision for now she has reached maturity and from now on go on love both of them more than ever before and to the degree that you love them they'll respond for the story is we loved him because he first loved us that's the story as told us in the first letter of John the fourth chapter we loved him because he first loved us so the initiation and that initiative starts with God so it is impossible for thought and greater than itself to know and so God desires that you and I know in his food and so he quantifies himself and actually to the body and self this God this is the tree as we are told in the story and they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

This is the truth, the original truth. In the 13th chapter of the book of Acts, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. Have you ever seen the human form on a chart when the skin is removed and the veins and all the things are there? It's like an inverted tree. where the roots are here and the tree is growing down. And the day will come it will all turn up. That day will come when the serpent rises from the base. Then the whole tree turns up. And what the generation has turned into new generation. That's then the tree of life. And this is the tree of knowledge, of good and evil.

The age of it will come down. It was God and God alone who asked to give the sacrifice. And then all of his tongues were scattered. Now he calls them one by one and gathers them all together into one. All the children of God that was scattered abroad. I've told it in that cynical remark in the 11th chapter of John. And when you read it on the surface you will think, what a horrible high priest. He said, there he turned to the crowd and said, you do not know anything. You do not know that one man must die for the people. And in his death, that that one man who died for them, his death would gather together into one, all the children of God that are scattered abroad.

It seems so cynical, doesn't it? You see, behind every statement in Scripture, there is that hidden, symbolic reason. A man reading it on the surface, he doesn't see anything. Because he sees it in the outer air, as my friend who had the vision. She heard the conflict, and she said, I couldn't dare tell my mother. And so, I mean, what is the use first in the hope that has significance? Because undoubtedly she would never have argued that way with her mother. And so she could not, even though in dreams she could not tell the mother that a dream of this nature took place. Because critically she wouldn't do it. And then to have that in dreams.

But in the depths of the soul, seemingly you have no control, not the rational mind. But he who was in the closet listening, he heard the music of the trail. He heard of the glorious thing of the world. On the outside, conflict. And even this conflict must now be resolved into the most glorious, harmonious victory for his pupils. For a disciple is a pupil, a learner. And now she no longer becomes the learner. She floats over the water now, turns up on the desk. From now on she's going to stop drinking all the water and convert it into wine and put into practice what she has heard and live it and love her mother all the more.

No matter what happens from now on, she'll love her all the more because she knows only as I love her can she love me. That is the story. If I would have someone important in my world, I must treat them as though they are important. I don't care who they are. If I want them to be great, treat them as though they are great. And think of them as great. And talk to them in my mind's eye as though they are great. And treat them that way. And then to the degree that I actually cast myself, turning this water into wine, they become that in my world. And this is the world in which we are living.

Applying the Truth

So drink no more water, Timothy. Take a little while for your stomach's sake and its many afflictions. How many a venial stood before a judge and told him that and that of? The judge talked. I read many a case where he goes before the judge and says, well the Holy Word says it, your honor. He says, what Holy Word? He says in the Bible, your honor. It It tells me not to drink any more water. And so he comes in with his bottle hanging from his pocket, and he's all plastered, and he turns to the judge, and he says, the Bible tells me to drink no more water and drink wine. But the judge never heard that before.

He picks up his own Bible, because he's got his score on the Bible, and goes in to tell him exactly where to find it, in the fifth chapter of 1 Timothy. And here he looks to the fifth chapter of 1 Timothy, and the judge reads it, pays dismiss, may transfer on a book and then not go by it, so you dismiss it as just vino. But that's not what it means. It means to take this wonderful psychological truth which is symbolized as water, and then stop definitely absorbing it and pouring it in, and apply the truth that you know. And so when someone is in need, represent them to yourself as though they were not really in need at all, but they were affluent.

And see them now exactly as they would like to be seen by you and by everyone in the world. And persist in that assumption. And if you persist in that assumption, you're turning water into wine. And making it become alive in your world. This is the first act in the book of John. The first, what is called, sign. Woman, what have I to do with this? That is forgetting rid of the mother image. He's talking to his mother. And if he rubs out the mother image, they are coming for your he is going to turn it out into one no more war in his life, so the whole thing behind every day is this wonderful hidden meaning that is in the Bible, each a hidden symbolical meaning.

Destined to Awaken

You are destined each one of us to awaken one day as God the Father, and God the Father. So loved you, he asked to be king. That was the great sacrifice. Unless I die, thou can not live. But if I die, I shall arise again, and thou with me. So God dies. Completely gives up his darkness, his glory, and takes upon himself the weakness and the limitation of the human nature. And that he suffers from the beginning to the end. And in the end, you awaken. And when you awaken, you are God. And you only know that you are through his son calling you father. For no one knows who the father is, his stepson. son. No one knows who the son is except the Father.

So no one has ever seen God. But the son who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known. So all of a sudden he appears. And the glorious heavenly son, who is the son of God, calls you Father. And then you know who you are. In your remaining days, you simply tell it. And you tell it to everyone one who will learn. Some will listen, some will not. Some will believe, and some will disbelieve. But it's not your concern. You simply tell them. And remember, as you tell it, although there may be a very small crowd in a world of three and a half years, remember the parable of the master seal.

The smallest of all seals, and yet in time, it grows into through a lovely, wonderful bush where the birds can help. Give it time, and then it becomes the priest. And the birds can feed upon it and masturbate. But it seems so insignificant when first dropped into the ground. So do not judge by numbers. Do not judge by the few who hear it. For it will be just like the mustard seed. And it will grow. And when it grows, he will house the birds of the air. And they will come and they'll feed upon it and nest about. It makes no difference if there are 20 million listening or the few who are here tonight.

Always bear in mind the parable of the musketeers. And don't come to us, you're warned not to come to crowds. And David would come to number. He was one not presumptive, for I am with you, and one with God is the majority, so it doesn't really matter. Do not put on the armor of sorrow. Take it off and go knowing you only have the five stones, and five is the symbol of grace, and all you need is the grace of God, and the grace of God is power. My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in you. So you are unarmed. You go with your five little selves. That's my grace.

And my grace is my power. And what can stand against the power of God? For you go in the power of God. And don’t come to hate. And don’t say anything to anyone. It doesn’t matter. No one would say, “What do you think I am?” What? What does it matter? Suppose there were ten thousand tonight and no one understood you. And suppose there were ten thousand, ten thousand and I spoke nonsense and they all understood it. I came down to the level of the pit and talked about secular history. And now we should go out and get involved to suffer and try to change this and change that. That’s not Christian. Go and tell them that the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Repent. Change your attitude towards life and believe in the gospel. What gospel? The earliest gospel tells it is the gospel of God. The good news of God. So go and tell. And that begins with a baptism. He aims for the resurrection. And he’s right. It does begin with baptism. But a baptism is not taking place in a little church, in a little water. That baptism takes place the moment that you stand in the presence of love. And love incorporates you into this bottle. That’s fusion. That’s baptism. When When you merge to become one with the body of God, and who owns, which is the beginning of the unfolding supernatural events, does the beginning of the resurrection.

So Mark was perfectly right in beginning it with the baptism in the first chapter and ending it with the resurrection. He was the foundation of the tenop, the Gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke. They drew upon his book. He indulged upon it, and magnified it, and beautified it, but he stuck to these simple, primitive traditions. And he began with the baptism with Christ, and he comes to the end with resurrection. But in the end, the end is eschatology. And that day he begins the end, the resurrection, the first step, then the birth, then the sonship and fatherhood of God. Then comes the ascension at a fiery surface, and then comes the descent of the Holy Spirit in the body form of the devil.

That same derisive laughter and same woman who stood on my right is now standing on the left, and she is explaining to me how we avoid that because of the offensive odor that man gives off but now he so loves you he penetrates that ring of the throne and distings upon you seven faces of the same same one all his team same face but no more that derisive laughter, that solemn voice of God. And I hear the divine voice calling, and calling like the sound of a doubt calling. Doubt sometimes. So this whole drama unfolds within us, and I tell you, and everyone is going to experience it. I’m saying to tell you, you’re going to experience it.

That’s why I’m here. And I have finished the telling. I can only from now on repeat it and then, like tonight, taste a thrown vision and incorporate it into the night picture and to show you how you must cast off the woman, the mother image. For you’re in search of the father and it does not mean that you’re going to not love your mother anymore, you love her all the more, but now you’re mature. You become a woman now. You become an adult by passing off the mothering, and you found the father walking on the water, for he is the only one that did it. When Peter did it, he went down. As he started looking at his feet as to how it’s done, he went down.

But here he stood next to the boat, standing on the water. But he walked away, standing on the water, turned up and said last night she heard her music. She heard the depth of it. When others caught that furious, violent audience, her horror came working ecstasies.